The parallels between the Swinger lifestyle and The Red Pill (Episode 350)

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go ahead and get right into it my

special guest today is a man who

actually called into the show I want to

say it was either yesterday or the day

before I can't remember I can't remember

what I can't remember which show it was

and I can't remember what exactly the

the show topic was but I know that it

was I know that it was quite because

I've done quite a few shows lately but

what he talked about was the advantage

the advantages of the swinger lifestyle

so I'm gonna go ahead and bring him on

Craig are you with me dad Ben I'm here

excellent excellent Craig listen first

off I would like to personally thank you

for making time for us today listen man

I mean I know that you know whether

you're a podcaster or not whether you

you know whether you have a you know

whether you're an influencer or whatever

the hell they call guys like me anymore

we all have things to do we've all got

busy lives all got busy schedules

but I do like I sincerely appreciate you

taking the time for us today because

this is a topic that a lot of guys are

here that a lot of men are curious about

but don't think that they can do it so

if you would Craig I'm gonna call you

quote/unquote Craig the swinger and and

I think this I think this is gonna be a

good show but talk a little bit just

give us sort of a brief overview on the

on the kind of lifestyle that you live

how you came to find the red pill if

indeed you did find the red pill what

got you into swinging what keeps you in

at etcetera etc certainly um so I got

into swinging or the lifestyle as they

call it I was 23 24 just graduated

college I'm in a new town broke up with

the girlfriend from college I was like

man I'm really not winning with women

like I should be but it's Friday

Saturday night I'm not going to be

celibate for you know the next several

years I'm gonna go find someplace where

people I can't be the only one feeling

this way so I looked up swing clubs in

the town there were two of them I went

to one and of course they're having a

gangbang my first night there Wow I'll

just add that's not combo that's not

common okay so don't don't expect it

that's it I'm there okay so so you know

ol number one when you get into this

wing is when you get into the swinger

lifestyle rule look like the first thing

off the bat don't expect gang bangs our

very first night so baptism by fire in

other words yeah I got thrown in and

deep in but it's okay I can swim okay

good very good so the you know the the

owner was cool and I'm actually you know

I was always shied I did well in the

traditional bar club scene I don't drink

I don't dance I don't do drugs like bars

and clubs just weren't working for me

but like I said I gotta do something is

there something I'm not going to just

sit back and you know be and uh yeah so

at the Swim Club though I mean obviously

they had a gangbang

that was cool then somehow word got back

to the bartender lady

you know I'm I'm like I'm gonna stay out

time huh alright so sir then she's like

hey I know a couple that wants to meet a

guy like you I'm like huh alright okay

sure and have sex with them I'm just a

woman I say with a couple but it's just

a woman sir um I gotta um and uh she

gives me her number I didn't even ask

for it okay I'm like wait a minute I'm

not sure what's happening here but I

think I kind of like it

right she's talking but when are you

free now

you got your Wii you know weekend's open

it's over so I said wow this is great so

um you know I would meet with them a

couple times a month you know kind of a

regular couple as they say your regular

play partners okay and it was great and

it's like one of the other rules is it's

just sex okay right I'm not trying to

make babies I'm not trying to have

anybody call me daddy or husband or in

it it's just sex

real quick not doing long walk listen

real quick Craig because a lot of guy

and again it's so funny the parallels

between the the swinger lifestyle and

the red pill lifestyle a lot of guys who

want to be sluts layers they want to be

players etc etc they all a lot of times

they run into trouble when they catch

feeling so how common is it that someone

who is a part of the swinger lifestyle

how common is it for guys to catch

feelings how common is it for guys to

get kind of swept up in the flow of this

swinger lifestyle and think you know I'm

just gonna I'm just gonna get it get him

here to get the pussy then all of a

sudden they get in and they find

somebody they like and now they catch

feelings and then that all then that all

turns to shit how often does that happen

I would say it's less common because you

have to be able to compartmentalize that

so right I'm not going to say it's I've

heard it of it from couples where and

this is where what some guys go wrong

okay okay if you approach it and you're

like hey the husband's my competition or

I'm gonna I'm trying to and again we all

we own the women that have good

of course but again you had you have to

mentally block that basically and your

it's just sex and we're not like one of

the things like we I don't am I meet but

will they usually meet it like my house

we're at an apartment in the or at a

hotel in the lobby okay right

the expectation is sex is gonna happen

right so we're really not gonna go out

to dinner no movies you just you just

don't you just don't do that stuff so

it's a I think if you just keep it as

sex you're leading for sex you you know

hey it's great and then you leave that's

one way you can kind of keep that keep

that separated a little bit um kissing

for some people is a no-no just because

everybody's rule okay okay yeah that's

that can suck your dick oh fuck you you

know take it in the ass for kissing no

like just you know right just real quick

the reason why and listen I've never

done listen I fuck multiple girls and

doesn't that any other but my guess is

Craig is the reason why some people say

no kissing allowed is because kissing is

a very emotional act kissing kissing is

what it when kissing is what gets you

emotionally attached to two women I

remember I was fucking this one girl and

I don't know I probably I don't know how

many dude I fucked her probably for two

or three months and I remember I only

kissed her one time that was the first

time I fucked her I never kissed her

again after that and she purposely it

was almost as though she purposely you

know avoided kissing because she didn't

want to catch feelings for me so my

guess is that the reason why a lot of

swingers say hey kissing is not allowed

I think it's because it's that is an

emotional that's a that's a that's an

emotional physical transaction what say

you about that D do you agree with that

I would agree I mean I think it opens

the door potentially you know it could

open the door to both you know either

party becoming you know attracted

outside the bedroom or beyond right just

sex so some people just

hey that's just something we do we just

kiss but you know other people like said

they'll do everything else they'll suck

you funny or whatever sure but like some

people they just just kind of put some

boundaries around kissing and that's

fine okay um and that's another thing as

being brought in as a third guy right or

as a third party as a guy you know you

have to understand and kind of respect

and play the boundaries that the couples

have some people you know you know

kissing could be a rule some people

staying overnight that's another thing

oh this is unbelievable man this these

are and again I don't mean to keep

cutting you off but this is this is why

I did this episode because they're there

there are so many parallels and if you

break these not to say that if you break

these rules that it leads to trouble but

this is why these rules are in place

Craig no slesin kissing spending the

night that is spending time outside of

just fucking that doesn't mean to say

that you guys can't sit down on the

couch have a glass of wine and do a

little bit of socializing but you are

there for the sex you're not there to

cuddle you're not there to kiss you're

not there to spend the night you're not

there to you know you know you know

watch movies or share some emotional

experience you are there to fuck and I

think and again I think the swinger the

the the swinger lifestyle is very oh and

like I said it has a lot of similarities

with the rental lifestyle it absolutely

does and that's you know just a Segway a

little into the red pill so that's where

I was as blue as blue pill gets right I

was a super nice guy and that helps to

some degree because if you're in a swing

club you're peacocking you know you're

kind of loud not you know whatever

certain things that might work well for

you in a traditional club setting

probably won't work as well in the swing

game okay

and it's not really necessary okay we're

not necessary because we all know why

we're here right we all don't at the

club right right of course all right

let's not pretend that we're here to

meet our future husbands or why

right right now we're here to get it in

maybe meet some new people maybe it's a

little party or you know whatever but we

all know why we're here so there's

really no reason to peacock or have any

pretentious or any weight logging alpha

male of the group whatever yeah you

don't have to if women if you're in that

environment has a guy you are

immediately flipped to the Alpha box

right of course of course she's got her

beta bucks and so that's where I kind of

had to transition from the hillside and

say like I'm you have to be ready to be

an alpha okay any I think Rolo talks

about that with in his book playing with

dynamite where people will get pickup

artist techniques but they're really not

ready mentally game wise all of that

stuff to be the alpha you have to you

have to understand that role and be

ready for it right because if you're not

and you start doing you start asking a

hate and I fuck your ass or hey can I

know you do you're the Alpha you're your

drivers that train I'm not saying don't

ask but you talked about that beforehand

when you're in the game when you're

having sex like you're driving that

train you have to be ready grab the hair

right there ass like right right you're

doing that you're driving that so that's

where I you know I wasn't quite ready

and you know I would see some parallels

with or some issues with you know

swinging and I try to understand like

black women okay that was the episode I

called in yesterday before whatever

yeah when area code for 1/3 the the yeah

yeah the patrol area code for and threes

and Donovan you hakuna way yeah okay

okay yeah so I never had successful

black one I'm hot you know I'm just

looking and I don't care I mean at this

price I really don't care

um but I'm just trying to understand it

and you know I started reading about it

looking up and I saw one of your videos

where you talked about the problem of

dating black women and I'm like oh okay

this is interesting I'm not saying it's

right or it's wrong but it makes more

sense than anything I've ever whatever

come across sorry so there's an

alternative explanation this seems to

make a lot of thin

I would say that's one other interesting

thing in swinging you don't see a lot of

black women really why is the healthy I

do not listen we'll never know right

because you're one swinger but why in

your opinion do you not see a lot of

black women who are swingers I think I

have my I already know why but I've got

my opinion on that I'll call that fact

what about you what do you think I think

it's um oh you know I've talked to you

and they're like they think they're like

giving something away like they're

losing okay they're having you know III

one lady was like you know what if I

charge for sex I'm like listen oh my

goodness ladies do that me it's not

gonna yeah I'm like you did see there's

a room for the naked people right

sharing like everyone having sex right

and you're thinking about what the fuck

outta here

typical black black female attitude I

think that I think that if more black

women could swing I think they would but

I think the reason a lot of them can't

or don't is because they can't this just

goes down to black women being almost uh

buddies type right so the only swinger

parties that black women would really be

allowed in or really be preferred in are

where it's where it's an all black

swinging party I mean I'm sure that

there are black swingers out there but

black women are at the bottom of the

central totem pole you can't just walk

into any swingers bar no they would have

to go to a purely African American or

black swingers swingers club guys if you

guys want to get in on the conversation

give me a call nine one four two oh five

five three five six

I've got Craig the swinger on the line

with us if you guys have questions if

you guys don't want to call in

definitely put the questions in the chat

we've already got our first we've got

our first female

our first obvious female question Lola

love Anu says what's the point without

the boundaries this is so funny I love

how women try to infiltrate these

conversations right so the boundaries

that you and I are discussing are

obviously emotional boundaries this is

what we're talking about Lola love Anu

emotional boundaries no kissing no

spending the night don't engage in

activities that that could be the

genesis of emotions or feelings getting

involved as far as boundaries are

concerned everybody has sexual

boundaries I mean listen some some some

people and I don't think that this I

don't think this just stays with people

who you know with swing I think this

goes outside as well some girls won't

let you fuck them in the ass

some girls love to suck dick yeah some

girls like to be tied up some girls like

to be slapped spit on choke called names

etc etc but those but but those are the

only boundaries that we're talking about

or those are the boundaries that I'm

talking about now but we haven't even

talked about the physical sexual

boundaries

Lola love anew is all in her feelings

wants to know what's with the boundaries

well the boundaries are to keep emotions

from getting involved I think that's

pretty obvious yeah and yeah and that's

their couples dynamics that that all you

know things that would be like I know

one couple the day she does anal but she

only does it for her husband okay all

right see there we go that that's fine I

mean that's their deal and it's maybe a

more again personal intimate saying hey

I'm just saving this for you honey and I

think that really yeah I think that I

think if you know again we have another

question here I'll get to in a minute

but I think that makes a lot of sense

right if she's gonna do every if she

does every sex act with every with every

man she comes across then at some point

we as men we are we are territorial men

can say well yes we're fine with the

swinger lifestyle but if you see a man

who does to your wife what you can't or

what she won't allow you to do you're

gonna feel some type of way but if she

reserves something specifically for you

I think that at least keeps some of the

territorialism in its place what do you

think yeah absolutely

um you know they as the other guy you

know they they would still want to feel

special like it's just fun and again it

makes it more special there's something

she's willing to do for you that she

won't do with other people and and end

up that's great you know I'm you know

kind of help in accessory to their sure

sexual relationship and that's it we got

a question here from be we good good

good good

no that was it that was it I've got a

question here from my girlfriend Deb

and I think I don't know she's probably

watching this somewhere obviously she

says isn't all sex emotional for women

and I agree all sex for women is

emotional and I think that I don't know

like I have my theories on this but if a

woman who engages in the in the swinger

lifestyle if she has sex with one person

enough times eventually she is going to

start to catch feelings so that all of

that said as you've obviously you've

obviously you've obviously been an

accessory you've been the quote/unquote

third wheel have you ever had a bad

experience as a wife or girlfriend of a

couple that you have ever swung with has

she ever gotten with you have you ever

fucked them outside of being with the

husband like like have you ever tried to

holler at you outside of that um not

generally without permission okay

there are some that I can play with and

again this is getting in good with the

husband sir not something not just that

you know not coming off as great right

right don't worry I'm gonna return her

just like I found her you know I mean

like hey don't worry I'm just taking her

first bin but but when I return I'm

gonna put gas in the car right I'll make

sure I get a detailed everyone will be

just fine yeah and so there's a higher

level of trust I think with a lot of

husbands that I get to know like hey if

you guys want to go out for a night or

weekend whatever a day you know it's

cool um and I I try to respect those

boundaries kind of think I mean there's

a couple times we talked about it or

people want to play some people to play

bareback I don't really I don't really

do that yeah I was going to say that was

actually this is interesting I was I was

actually gonna put this this is actually

gonna be my next question

protection is protection per Evelyn

obviously you're the type of guy who

ramps up every time you fuck one of

these broads have you ever met like our

do couples out there did they use

protection or is everybody raw doggin

and they're back in I would say most

people use protection

but I've seen I've seen it at parties

I've seen just I've seen people going

there that's one of the reasons I kind

of got away from clubs because I saw it

there we go once and I'm like yeah I

don't know or the lady started to get on

top of me and mount me and I'm like whoa

hold on sister wait wait I'm out what

the fuck is going on with me I got a

cannon yeah and they have condoms at

clubs is just about I've ever been to

well I've listened of course they do but

listen of course they do but let's

listen let's keep it real here Craig

unprotected sex feels much better than

protected sex have you ever been tempted

even one time alright you know what it

seems alright I really want to fuck it

raw dog this chick have you ever raw

like have you ever gone without a condom

or are you just a hundred percent hey

I'm wearing I'm wrapping up every time

I'm about 95 percent yeah there we go

there we go if I have a test and you

have a test and we you know we do a test

exchange and I'm like look I'm good at

this date and then you know okay I mean

I all right I know one lady she she does

amateur porn and you know I didn't know

she gets tested I you know sure I've

seen it I got my you know third-party

independent verified test now I'm like

here's my shit I'm good you're good with

that okay let's let's do it but that is

fascinating

this is anally her fucking oh okay

alright not on a random manner goddamn

dude this dude this is this is

fascinating I've got questions here all

in the chat Craig um let's see jesus

fucking your government yeah this is

this is great um any name actually they

go by the name any name echoes what you

said he says quote the truth is that a

lot of couples don't have that

foundation a solid foundation they love

the idea of swinging but aren't mature

enough to deal with the lifestyle have

you ever come across a couple who

thought they can handle it but couldn't

and what happened what was that what was

what was the what was the point like

have you ever seen an implosion like

what was that moment or I figured out oh

we thought we'd like this but we kind of

know yeah I've seen it at some

at parties sometimes people go on with

it you know let's take a break as they

say though though and their different

dynamics so right playing as a single

guy is different than if you're a couple

seeking the economy unicorns or a single

by female that's incredibly common for

couples that want to meet with other

couples because you have to have four

ways of compatibility okay okay

can't just have a hot girlfriend and you

look like Quasimodo right and you think

oh yeah you want to write but yeah do

that people do that they'll have the hot

girlfriend but you ain't hot semen she

don't want to like you like everybody

wants to fuck your girl but nobody wants

to fuck you right and then they call it

taking one for the team and that's you

know you really don't want to do that

because at certain points somebody's not

gonna be happy about

look I jumped on X number of days I'm

kind of getting tired of jumping on

grenades right and put miles on your

baby for nothing yeah and so that that's

where a lot of people find singles

though they look single guys it's just

easier to deal with than they deal with

the jealous wife and that's the other

thing people sometimes people will catch

feelings so with couples couples and

couples so hey you do that with that

woman and you can get it up for her but

not me and I mean some people yeah it

can I mean you don't alcohol right if

you got a party you know take over vent

up every day party Oh under blankets and

feelings right right you know so I went

to cap tag it's a naked naked city on

the southern coast of France

okay um started off as nudism

but obviously the swingers invaded it

and it's a super super popular kinda

like hedonism but adjusted for Europe

okay super popular place in Europe and I

heard he was speaking French so I

couldn't I couldn't you know translate

certainly as fast as he was saying it

but he he was mad about something and I

think there was some alcohol involved as

I've seen I've seen some couples a few

little dust-ups nothing nothing too

crazy but it can happen people get loud

and you know feelings and and all that

so yeah if it's true if you if you don't

have a solid foundation this is in

addition to it's not going to fix

anything

sure

that's broken it's not gonna break

anything that's solid it's just right it

may amplify it may make a jealousy issue

worse but it's really not gonna fix

anything or break anything that's not

fixed or broken that makes sense that

makes perfect sense you guys are

listening the TSR live with Donovan

sharp my special guest Craig the swinger

is feeling as fielding feeling Jesus

fielding questions here this is a

fascinating fascinating conversation

Bruno goats in the chat says how much of

a vetting process and I know we kind of

touched on this already but if you would

go into a little more in depth in this

how much of a vetting process is there

for STD's in the swinger community um

probably not as much as there should be

okay all right

and I would I would say that there are

there are people you tend to run with

the same a lot of the same people okay

so there's a guy I can think of in the

I'm out of Dallas but there's a guy I

can think of that at parties is

notorious for wanting to bareback people

whether asking or not he's a

good-looking guy right he's villian guy

you know so you get a lot of attention

but Horace how he rolls right and you

know you kind of know that and other

people with me I mean they just they

know you know I've got my bag of condoms

Lube non latex condoms whatever I got it

all on my little go bag good good and

you know it was never an excuse it's

never a problem oh well I I do not like

oh that's okay I got one so your boy

just rolls in there and he's like yo I

don't carry condoms I'm here I'm here to

raw dog these bitches you can either

take it or leave it and my guess is that

it wasn't the reason he does this is

because he's a good-looking dude right

like women yeah of course he can women

and spotty women don't get abortions

from guys who are alpha males and I

think Rolo says this best abortion is

the ultimate it is the ultimate

personification it's hypergamy

personified women don't abort kids that

they get women don't women don't abort

the kids of alpha males right if she

fucks you if there's pity sex or if

you're the boyfriend and she's fucking

an alpha on the side if there's any

doubt on her mind

who's who the father is she is going to

abort that kid but if it's you know if

it's a square-jawed alpha-male know she

is carrying that she's absolutely

carrying that pregnancy to term you

here's here's here's a question that I

that I have for you an area code 205 I

see you in the human get you in just a

second the UM I've had threesomes before

I probably had a little I don't know

maybe I don't know maybe a half a dozen

threesomes from you know maybe a little

more than that maybe seven to nine maybe

ten I don't know I wasn't sober for all

of them but I've never and every time

I've had a threesome it's been me and

two other girls right I've never I have

nothing I have never been naked in the

same room with another man while having

sex ever it's always been me and two

women all the time

what is it like what is it like sticking

your dick into a hole that somebody just

stick to stuck their duct and just stuck

their dick in what is it like being like

it is there is their performance anxiety

because I have a shy bladder right and

when I'm at the airport using a bathroom

if there's somebody next to me I can't

use the bathroom right I can't imagine

being able to keep I can't imagine being

able to keep my dick hard

if there's another fucking swing and

dick right in front of me sucking this

you know this girl is sucking sucking

his dick I don't know that I could get

it up I don't know maybe there's

something wrong with me but but how do

you deal with that what is that

personally like for you know so that I

will do this super common and I'm in a

group with you know there are other guys

that swing and you know there are

standards that you know you need to be

said you meet you know able to perform

but that is actually a big issue a lot

of guys was the old man I'm I'm gonna do

this you girl with you yeah I'm gonna do

bad man I want to go to this party I

want to do and I look at it as like if

you got called if you're at the Super

Bowl this is like the Super Bowl of sex

right look it's true get cold you know

you have a patriot you know a staff will

come to you Donovan listen we don't want

to say anything but Tom Brady's hurt we

need you to come to the locker room sign

a one-day contract we're going to put

you in the game in the second half right

right you're gonna be like Willie Beamen

throwing up on the logos oh hell no

I don't so a lot of people yeah a lot of

people think like dude if I've got it in

a game I would and I would be yeah I'd

be king dingaling it ain't it ain't that

it's almost and it's as funny not to cut

you off but a lot of guys think they do

these surveys all the time how many guys

out there do you how many how many guys

do you think can hit a major league

fastball and it's like 85% of guys think

that they can hit a major league

fastball because it looks easy on the

screen dude dude you want the batting

cage to turn it up to 70 you can't even

see the ball right so my guess is that

this is probably along those same lines

yeah and it's information overload it's

a lot of you know a lot of stimulation a

lot of hotness and how do you get on I

don't I get in the zone okay are you I

focus on my partner I look at the woman

and I'm enjoying her okay yeah and so I

played sports I played you know you know

college football so getting in the zone

for me is not you know I I do it like I

played high school baseball - so when

you're like talking about hitting a

major league basketball it's fucking 25

man Jesus people throwing eight 70 and

80 miles an hour in high school I swear

to God

real quick real quick if anybody Brit

and this is just my claim to fame not

really claim to fame when I was a I when

I was a sophomore in high school into

Altus Oklahoma I went to Altis High

School in Oklahoma and we played against

Mangum high school and Mangum high

school had this kid on their squad by

the name of Braden looper right he was

thrown six straight no-hitters everybody

knew this guy was gonna get drafted into

the major leagues blah blah blah blah he

actually won a couple of World Series

and listen he wasn't a frontline starter

he was just a reliever but I think he

won a World Series with with the

Cardinals and then the Marlins anyway

that day was the day that I knew that I

would never play major league baseball

he was not on the mound that day but we

work we work the the tournament was in

Hobart Oklahoma and we were cream and

Mangum I think was 9 1 10 1 whatever

looper was playing shortstop and so

we're feeling ourselves we're all like

we want looper

we want looper sure enough the fucking

co2 comes out he comes out and he

signals Braden looper to come on to the

mound guess who guess who's in the

on-deck-circle guess who gets to face

this guy first me listen Craig I'm gonna

tell you something man watching this kid

warm up it was like the ball disappeared

from his hand and into the catcher's

mitt I had never listened I had never

seen anything like it in my life and

that look I was just in I was just in

the on-deck circle right I don't know

how far that is from Muskogee Oklahoma

but I know it's I think it's pretty

close to Ponca City West or Broken Arrow

um anyway so I get into the batter's box

and he of course his first pitch is a

fastball

I don't even lift the bat off my

shoulder the umpire calls it a strike

I'm like how the hell can you even see

the point is and you guys can look it up

Braden looper went to Mangum high school

Mangum Oklahoma like I said he was a he

was a middle-of-the-road relief pitcher

you know just you know what wasn't

really sponsored he wasn't a spot

starter but but that's the difference

between professional athletes and like

it looks easy on-screen but it but when

you get into the batter's box when

you're in bed when you're in a situation

and there's another man who has his cock

out and you're both fucking the same

girl that's a little bit weird Circe

says a threesome with two dudes and a

chick is is otherwise known as a train

which I kind of understand but when you

get in the zone how is it how is it that

you're able to get into the zone and

just sort of and sort of you know wipe

out the fact that okay I'm in a room

with another man and we're both naked

well I'm so I and I started off slower

so you know when I would play with

couples a lot of the guys at least

couples I was with initially they just

wanted to watch write others I really

wasn't it really wasn't a thing so it's

you know the like the wife would sit

next to me I start feeling her off we go

upstairs you know he just jumps in the

chair he likes you know some people are

visual they like to watch more I'm not a

lawyer personally but I know what the

thing so whatever hey I'm happy to play

the role sure of course and so I never

really thought about him he never really

made a move to get involved it was just

me and her and he wouldn't say anything

he's not trying to direct anything

it wasn't like you're fucked yeah why

should we go to work and so I think

that's kind of a stair-step where as

opposed to um I don't think I sent you

this picture there's I went to Mexico

and there was a I mean she's she's

accused that she's no shit porn star

she's Ukrainian and she told me about

this and she's like they will call guys

up with a condom but they would call

guys up in the like who wants to fuck

this point sorry come on somebody you

know and they're like challenging guys

like on the spot so like go ahead and do

it and they're you know they're playing

music and having fun with the insurance

like you know a lot of guys can't

perform right nope so that different

it's a little bit different

yeah I'll tell you I'll be sure it

happened to me like and I had flown in

I've been standing around for two hours

but I was like holy shit like it's a

different ball game earlier to launch

like yeah big difference before and John

deem yeah um no you just have to get

into your partner and just have this

shuttle mission I don't look around any

I don't care I just focus on her what

are we doing let you know I'm enjoying

the moment just with her

excellent excellent man this is a great

conversation dude before we get to

haricots 205 this is probably the

million dollar question and a lot of

guys are probably afraid to ask this

does everybody in a swinger club have a

big dick because when people think oh my

god it'll be a swinger you gotta have a

nine-inch dick you have to be hung like

a porn star no obviously you can't have

a micro dick but by the same token a lot

of guys think alright well if I'm gonna

be a swinger like if a wife really wants

to fuck me then I gotta be packin is

that true or false false um

I am yeah you can't be small right of

course that's really gonna play unless

you I mean unless you're just like a

model eight percent body fat

six was you know sir you might be able

to you might be able to make it work

because what I've seen women tend to

like two things you know big dick or

pretty so right if you're if you're

pretty boy shiny whatever you will get

you

we'll get attention and this goes back

to red pill craze right but traditional

markers of masculinity it's still a rule

it's still a thing

right there's if you have a big dick

there's nothing more masculine than a

penis right that's er that's it if you

have visible abs let's say your average

size that's okay sir that's fine right

if you can now you know statistically

most men are going to come somewhere you

know average duration of sex is like the

penile would study 5 to 7 minutes 7 to

12 minutes something like that right I

will tell you you're gonna have to bring

it a little bit longer there we go so

yeah I was gonna say that seamlessly

swings to the next question you can't be

a two-pump chump no you'll get I mean

look you get made fun of I mean not

maybe not your wow this is awesome oh

man it happened I was at a game and this

one dude and he likes it all and you

know and that's fine whatever sure but

he got in there and he was done in three

minutes and he was even like dude hey

man don't don't tell anybody about this

okay he got done he's like yeah let's

can we keep this between us please

Wow how about this you cannot be a

one-minute well looking around like what

really are you done here Liz Lemon at

CSR alive at Donovan sharp this is

episode 350 we've got Craig the swinger

on the line let's go to the phone lines

haricots 205 you were on live at Donovan

go ahead what's up man I just read a

Jedi man hands are going red Jedi what's

going on brother how you doing hey man

listen man I saw this episode talking

about swinging and excellent put it in

the chat I tried the swing thing one

time with a couple man I couldn't do my

thing it just like he was hitting it

from the back and she'll give me a hit

man I could not get excited

listen regedit listen i'ma tell you what

bad I think I would be the same way and

the reason for that probably has to do

with

formitz anxiety I've never like I've

never gotten my my dick has never been

my dick has never been hard in the same

room with another man right I mean

unless he was there and I didn't know it

I mean unless I fucked some dudes wife

and he you know the jerked off in the

closet I couldn't do it number one

number two I'm a territorial son of a

bitch like if I'm fucking a girl's

listen I understand you know a woman

never belongs to it's just to return but

when I'm fucking her she belongs to me

this is why I would not make a good

swinger man no fucking way dude what do

you say to that Craig man it I was super

common um you know it could be a lot of

it's nerves because really I mean if you

think about biologically you know

adrenaline right yes of course your site

or flight your body turns off everything

else it turns off digestion it turns out

it just says muscles adrenaline go right

right reproduction is not a concern at

the moment it is running and getting

away through the bear or whatever's

chasing you and so yeah I mean maybe

maybe that was maybe that was a little

bit much I mean if it's coupled maybe

you start with her yeah I was gonna say

a little bit I was gonna say I think a

lot of the performance anxiety a lot of

times probably comes from lack of

experience so if red Jedi here tried it

with a couple couldn't perform okay

maybe you maybe you take a little bit of

weight off the bar right is that a

strike it's instead of trying to splat

225 maybe move it down to 185 so I don't

know maybe you're fucking her and she's

given him head and then maybe I don't

know what do you think about that yeah I

mean it could be worth you if she starts

with just you and then there we go

there you go in right and then you kind

of transition to him going in that's

what that that's how it was more for me

it was usually where I would start with

the woman alone I I mean the guy might

be there maybe he should go to the

bathroom or whatever and I come up in

five minutes but it was it was a little

bit more one-on-one oh did you have fur

so that might be an option listen you

are a fucking G coz listen up listen man

like op listen I'm a man and anytime

something is a check

like I try to meet it and I will find a

way dude you gotta have their you have

to have you have to be mentally on a

different level to be fucking a woman

and even knowing that a man is about to

join you you got to be mentally prepared

for that I don't think I could ever be

mentally prepared for that man I just I

don't I don't think I could do it I

really don't thanks for the call Reggie

died because because again red Jedi tele

listen he experienced exactly what I

would see if it's two girls no problem

dude like my big is the only one hurt

and butter I'm the one fucking I'm

fucking both girls and you know sort of

a quasi competition but if there's

another dude in the room and I'll be

like oh shit wait a minute like what the

fuck like and and then like I like to be

like a bum punking a girl I want to be

able to I want to be able to stick my

dick in all her holes right so if this

guy if this guy pulls out his dick and

it's a small dick and I'm like shit like

this bitch is not gonna be fucker in the

ass you know I mean like I'm not go my

god it would just be I don't know dude

it would be it would be a big it would

be a mindfuck for me um okay so you

mentioned something earlier you called

it the unicorn the single bisexual

female talk to me a little bit about

that so that is a super common fantasy

for a lot of people a lot of couples

okay it is I think it's more of a

general acid more of a male driven

fantasy that they want to do that right

which is fine so that's great

it's just a numbers issue because I have

I don't know half of all couples seeking

this out and you just don't have that

many unicorns out there man I know some

I know several but I mean I mean like

five or ten okay that's that's it and

you have you might have 50 or 100

different couples chasing this seeking

it so that's where a lot of people start

off with oh yeah I want to get a unicorn

unicorns because and ER as common as you

know horns all right sure um but it's I

mean I don't you know I don't want to

poopoo anybody's fantasy but of course

not it's not it you gotta be realistic

right yeah it's not as easy as you think

and again the first rule of

unicorns is be attractive the second

rule is don't be unattractive let's do

it this way let's say you look like

Quasimodo but you've got a 10-inch dick

right so you have to lead with your cock

hey you know what I may look like The

Hunchback of fucking Notre Dame but

check this out do guys who are ugly that

have big dicks do they get play or is it

hey listen man like the package is not

really matching here you can okay you

can just like an attractive fit guy will

get more play than you probably would

even but even if you smaller right there

four inches or something like that oh my

god but if you're attractive there are

women that are like hey I want to do

with I've never been fucked my deal with

abs I want a stud to come pound me right

and I don't pretty you know I like I

don't care so there are also women who

are like I want biggest dick in the room

really of course um but yeah you'll do

you'll do exponentially exponentially

better if you're hitting the weight room

see if you're minding your diet okay

you're bringing it in the bedroom okay

so its shape it so in other words what

you're telling me is that if you are in

good shape that is far more important

than having a big dick yeah there you go

I mean listen with most with most women

yeah I would right I would definitely

say listen this is a read listen this is

the red pill parallel this is how a lot

of women out in the real world are right

and again a lot of guys asked a size

mattered a size matter and you have a

very you have a very small percentage of

women who try to marginalize guys who

who are who have insecurities about

their dick size well sorry boys size

matters no sweetheart you're a part of -

you're part of the 2% of the of the

female population that's been fucked by

guys into the quadruple digits right

your pussy's been fucked your vagina has

been fucked into oblivion and so you

need an oversized dick to please you

well the vagina goes back to where it

should be in the vagina yes it does but

here's the problem you haven't stopped

fucking long enough for your vagina to

go back to where it was right so a lot

of women try to you you know what I mean

so

so yes the vagina does closed back up

but you got to stop fucking long enough

for it to heal up so but but but again

the size doesn't really matter with most

women unless you're in the top or the

bottom 1% size doesn't really matter but

guess what does matter what's under your

control how you look how you eat and you

don't even have to look like fucking

Brad Pitt or tomorrow more whoever if

you know you have an above-average body

if you are in good shape guess what

you're still gonna get play this app

this is it's the same in swingers clubs

as it is out here in the real world man

I'm glad I'm glad you made that

assertion

yeah there's I mean I I can think of one

guy that he was legitimately like 12

inches this dude was he was young he was

at a sex party it cool guy I've talked a

little bit we were fucking with the same

woman at one point but I mean there was

nothing she was not over six feet he was

kind of shy he looked like he was 16

do you were saying hey you think that

kissing your own kid around here yeah so

you know he gets a lot of weight nice

guy again treat someone well and all

that stuff so yeah on the extremes yeah

it'll get you it'll get you in the door

right but we're not all extremes all

right yeah bell curve know if you have

abs you look good you have a little bit

of game about you you know you'll kill

your man there it is man I'm listen I've

never been a part of the swinger

lifestyle but I knew that there were

parallels man this is why I wanted you

this is why I wanted to have you in on

the show had a comment earlier actually

give me one second because this isn't

this is actually pretty interesting a

guy wanted to know that there are some

people out there who have serious wives

or girlfriends who are open to sharing

their women right

I would never right exactly how is it

cut dude I could do I could never share

Devon like no fucking way like Devon

belongs to me like she's my property I

would never let I would never

voluntarily allow another man to fuck my

girlfriend now she cheats on me well of

course that that's involuntary in that

point when she told me she no longer

belongs

me but me as a man I couldn't do that

how is it that you how like yeah and

again you don't have a girlfriend or a

wife I'm assuming so what do you think

it is that allows these guys to I guess

more or less compartmentalize this like

how is it the guys are able to do this

cuz there is no way and I'm as secure as

any guy out there I would never ever do

this so I go to school I do have a wife

she's a widow shit and oh wow oh my god

okay alright so you have a wife right so

glad yeah go and and again it's it's one

of the big things is it's just sex and

it's just sex for me okay

and it's just sex work she's not nearly

as into the life as I am and that's okay

some people are a different libido level

some people are highs we were off the

charts some people are low right some

people wanted you know aggressive hard

like I'm fulfilling rape fantasies other

people other people wanted slow and

sensual and all that stuff and that's

fine so I think in one way I mean it's

it's if I can have all this sex with

amazing and just produce clothes for

everybody like I sent Donovan some of my

I set up my profile get on swing swinger

site

you better believe in validation yep

from other women all over the world and

you know so I'm thinking you know look I

can have sex like this I want to make

sure I keep her happy and if she wants

to you know go do something I'm okay

with that she's coming back to me again

it's kind of like she's my property so

whatever okay all right I'm really not

thinking about what I'm talking to

Ukrainian porn star I'm just right of

course you gotta tell you just really to

compartmentalize that one yeah I think I

don't know that I could do that I mean

it's for me it's money it's not really

compartmentalizing sex from emotion I'm

just listen I'm just the territorial son

of a bitch man I don't like I couldn't

do it and I think it takes and not like

I'm glorifying this but it really

does take a tremendous amount of inner

strength to be able to do that how long

have you been married if you don't let

me asking uh Wow

god I gotta give it to you dude that

listen that is one thing I could never

do that is you are speaking of which

bruno goats asked a very good question

what's the alpha-beta scale like on

average like the guys there how um it

says what category what's the category

of the type of men that are swingers

from alpha to beta us we talked about

all alphas all betas is it like most men

a little bit of alpha a little bit of

beta what'swhat's what are the

percentages like I would say they're

pretty alpha 2 slightly alpha beta ok it

and again if they're going to do well

right I mean there's a lot of guys out

there that aren't winning in the

lifestyle I'm not gonna you know won't

have it it's definitely not it's not for

everyone and it or not be for you so I'm

not going to say that this is a panacea

this solves everything

as Patrice O'Neal said I'm just

introducing an option

we lost him too soon damn I wish Patrice

was around Yeah right right right yeah

Patrice oh my god he was he was great

but but that's all I'm just introducing

options okay um so to do well you

generally your game needs to be super

super super fucking tight or physically

you need to be on point or you need to

be packing a monster and if you could

combine two of those I would say two out

of three you're gonna be winning

animation that's like out on the real

were there a lot of guys aren't winning

right yeah of course listen if you're an

A+ at one thing you're gonna fuck hotter

girls the man who's a b-minus and

everything this is just how it goes now

I saw your profile and oh dude just

about every girl you were fucked has

been hot you guys do as good as you do

so on average I don't know on an average

scale of one to ten on on a rating scale

what's the what's the average what's the

average rating for Ferb before what's

the average rating for a guy to expect

right so a guy like I don't know just

the average Joe he can expect to fuck

five sixes tens how does that um I would

say you're you're probably gonna run

seven you know six seven that's not a

lot of a lot of the women yeah I mean

enemy it's good sex because it's not all

sex is not good sex dudes oh don't I

know it man to me I would rather fuck a

seven that is phenomenal

dude ed run of ten Barbie doll that is

fifty five minutes and she's done I'm

store this that dude listen Greg you're

hitting it right on the fuck dude I've

said this for years man

dude I listen man I fuck more girls in

the average man and one thing that is

universally true in immutable truth is

that you're gonna have far better sex

with sixes and sevens then you do with

nines and tens it do you have bad sex

with with a six or seven maybe but it

doesn't happen often will you have

phenomenal mind-blowing sex with a nine

or ten maybe but it doesn't happen that

often either

but on average oh dude I don't even want

to say on average I don't even want

qualify it like this nines and tens are

not as good at fucking at sixes and

sevens you think it's listen dude you

think a ten is gonna suck your cock like

a six or seven no why she doesn't have

to she's hot hot bread is in order to

elicit a favorable sexual response or

response from the average man is just to

be in the same room so they're not

really required to do much of anything

except for just be there and naked and

semi willing a six or a seven I don't

know she knows she's got a little bit of

work to do and she shows you yeah

and that's uh I look like I mean I've

fucked a few tens place and it's it's

really cool right visually stimulating

its visually stimulating I'm not trying

to come off as like a brag or whatever

but but honestly man and I think you can

cosign on this sex with tens is

overrated man like don't get me wrong

like don't don't get me wrong I'm not

gonna sit and say well I regret every

ten no listen fucking nines and tens are

great but it ain't like you see in the

porn movies man and porn

you see nines and tens fucking like

sixes and seven this is why they get

paid to do what they do but sex with

tens man like dude if you never fuck a

ten in your life you can

like you'll have no regrets man because

you will be disappointed

fucking-a 10 is like meeting your heroes

for the first time you're gonna be a

little bit disappointed it's just how it

is

no I'm yeah I'm perfectly happy with the

high caliber and that's just me that's

some where I've gotten and some guys

like to chase they like the conquest

they like that and when they have sex

with one they'll just alright that's

cool I move I'll move on I prefer to

stay with someone and and kind of be a

regular ideally of someone that's good

at sex right because right that's what I

like I like I like and value the good

sex over just a pretty thing sticking a

flag somewhere which is really not

anyway you know I value the good thing

is it's a go ahead I'm personally value

the good stick so much more no I agree I

listen I do too and listen I've always

been very the dude I talk about it all

the time dude Devin's not a 10

dude she is not a 10 is Devin hot no

Devin is not hot dude she's a six in the

fake dude she's a six in the face maybe

a six and a half with makeup if I'm

drunk she's ovulating and I'm horny

right those of you have seen Devin she's

she's an she is far from ugly but like

facially wise face wise she's a little

bit above average but guess what her

body's a fucking nine nine and a half

right some nights it's even a fucking

ten you guys can go to my social media

feeds and see that but you get but

here's the thing like I get great sex

from Devon because Devon's not a ten

right so I'm not gonna say I get the

best of both worlds but Devon is a

world-class cocksucker she lets me do

whatever I want to her because she's not

a ten and again and I'm so glad you're

cosigner on this don't get me wrong I'm

not saying don't go after the tens the

nines and the tens

just understand that it's not gonna be

the best sex of your life the best sex

of your life is gonna come from that six

or that seven or more possibly even that

eight or nine who grew up as a five six

or seven you fucked the ugly ducklings

listen any ten who fucks it like a porn

star was not attend her whole life you

mean a girl who was a tenor role life

she's she's

not gonna be good at sex that's just all

there is to it yeah and expectations are

gonna be often you know just yeah

they're gonna expect I just show up and

all right just do me Yeah right exactly

yeah you're gonna call me I know you are

no actually no no I'm not because I

fucked like 9:30 okay yeah I ignore her

it's 90 seconds for people to get on the

line but we can still talk well after

this Geographics Kevin ibanez asked in

the chat we're in the United States are

there swingers clubs where the best

places to swing so most of your largest

cities are going to have them certain

certain like more conservative areas

it's going to be tougher like you

thought there's nothing let me carry out

that there are actually a lot of couples

there there are a lot of couples so they

can't do shit so they're like all right

coming to town like yeah well we'll meet

take out whatever right I'm right right

right

Dallas there's a few Austin there's a

few New York City is pretty good for New

York New Jersey

las daily uh Las Vegas has a couple

clubs

I was actually this is shocking but it's

Las Vegas was one of the worst swing

experiences I've ever had no wow you

were there for a bein weekend and it was

why what happened cuz I would dude

listen man like I've gotten like dude I

fucking I fucked more strippers that I'm

willing to admit but but you would think

that in a place like Las Vegas - that a

Clarke movie which doesn't really like

listen and by the way for those of you

guys who think that prostitution is

legal in Clark County you're wrong

prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas

Nevada which is Clark County

prostitution is legal outside in other

counties the bunny ranch is not in Clark

County right right but but you but one

would think and again I lived in Vegas

for almost night up to eight almost nine

years hot girls everywhere strippers

everywhere so why was the swinging

experience bad for you this is crazy

I've never heard this before yeah so

it's I think part of it is a lot of

people go to Vegas

and they want to drink and do drugs and

eat and do this and they can do all of

that yeah and that's great but by a

certain point they're kind of like tired

right it's kind of like like if I go I

know a couple in Utah like I go and I'm

you know meet up with them and that's it

right this is Utah unless your skin

there's really not much else to do but

it is a lot of shit to do all the time

okay everywhere yeah Emmeline shows 24

says oh it yeah it just never yeah it

was it was I mean I still had some

accident but I was and one of my buddies

warned me he was like dude lower your

expectations right now is Reyes don't I

know you know you can have a good time

that's fine oh man don't expect yeah

he's like you got to take it down a

notch like an ABN was cool that's

awesome people you and I on whatever

right but Shane diesel he's cool but

wait I'm sorry you said wait hold on you

said Vin Diesel is that Wendy's was at a

swinging event

no no Shane diesel Shane diesel okay I

don't think I've ever heard of Shane

diesel Google black Zilla he's he's he's

the black guy and he's cool cool dude Oh

is he an actor I mean well anyway it

doesn't matter

he's a yeah the porn actor but oh okay

Florida yeah I would say Florida is the

mecca in the state for okay swing okay

all right I got you I'm with it

all right Sheen diesel yeah saw saw what

I needed to see gotcha excellent yeah

okay so Shane diesel obviously wow that

was that was a smack in the face so

anyway so yes so Florida you said to

continue your thought Florida is that's

the spot

that is the best yeah okay that's bet

it's a sunny state so a lot of people

look good

ideally and it just seems to be a lot of

open people I've heard Oh trapeze as one

of the best clubs I have not personally

been there they have got these in

Atlanta

okay these in Florida okay um and this

is like they serve food and everything

and it's you know they're little they're

not as low clubs in general charge

single men a lot more so trapeze is like

200 bucks

now to probably just get a girl or

something I wouldn't go there as a solo

dude to be perfectly honest okay

right and we'll get into that here in

just a second we got a few more minutes

um

Lorenzo Davis in the chat said what

about LA I've gone out there I mean I

think LA has a lot of good-looking

people I know I know a trios my house

quiet um it's a dude he's got a wife and

two girlfriends so what's up

you think I'm saying this dude is

fucking stellar um but they say LA is a

little bit slow whoa how about that man

that's it's funny because again and this

just again this is this is why this is

educational because if I were just

antigravity 74 making his way into the

chat a longtime supporter of mine

because if I'm like hey you know what I

want to get into the swing or lifestyle

well shit the first place I would think

of is Las Vegas but you're telling me

it's Florida and to end to manager

expectations how about that man so same

thing with LA how it's a little bit slow

yeah that's that's and I haven't done a

lot of time out in LA pleasure I said

just talking people that live there

they're like yeah I know a couple of

woods in Vegas too and they say they're

just like ass not not really is about

that good shit man

um let's see let me get to a couple more

let me get to a couple more comments if

you've got if you got maybe five or 10

more minutes Craig okay and listen again

I appreciate this episode this is this

is like I've never been a part of the

swinger lifestyle so this is like listen

I'm getting educated just as much as my

as my audience here freelance Ronan says

he said jerked off in the closet yeah I

mean I don't know like maybe a dude had

like you know maybe a dude had like a

fantasy where his where his wife or

girlfriend you know I don't know maybe

they pretend to cheat I don't know

that's actually no that's actually a

thing are you serious what I've seen it

man we're gonna go to this bar or club

and I want you to like hit on her and

pick her up

I'll be across the way and then they

like yeah that's that's yeah and I guess

the thing I haven't personally done it

but I've I've

to talked about I mean I've done it

before only I wasn't in on the fantasy I

was just at the bar picking up chicks

and fucking wipes and girlfriends so I

don't know maybe they forgot to tell me

about it um ex fat boy lifestyle says I

need to pull over this 18-wheeler to

hear this conversation very good let's

see now

Andre Silva um actually he echoes my

sentiment he says swinging is something

you don't do with your wife you do with

your side chick or concubine that this

is the nature of women that is the

nature of the beast I would agree with

that well you know what

I'll put it to you this way a lot of

guys hit me all the time and they say

Donovan you know I want to do I want to

do a threesome with my wife or

girlfriend I want to be able to bring

other chicks I always advise him do not

do that you're gonna fuck up your

relationship all the threesomes you see

like these men are doing this with with

their side chicks and their concubines

and centerset are just like Andre Silva

said what do you say to guys who think

that that you can't really swing with

your wife I guess I should ask you since

you do swing you ever swing with your

wife like like how does that work and do

you guys still love each other how's the

relationship is there any awkwardness

everything I mean I wish I could tell

you like everything is just perfect sure

but your body fat and 10 million in the

bank right all right right right

everyone has it right

everyone has their challenges everyone

has their issues you know but it's no

issues that weren't already there right

oh yeah actual compatibility issues a

little bit where I'm a little bit more

aggressive than she likes and she wants

it to be a little more sensual and

that's kind of boring so you know we

just kind of figure out all right well

there's something that we can do to kind

of kind of make this make this work

right other than that she's a great girl

okay money we've gone hunting she shoots

shit she'll cut up the deer and it was

like like great girl right but you're

saying just as far as sex goes like

that's you know hey you gotta you know

you gotta either accept it or you know

change the situation a little bit so

okay change it change the dynamic a

little bit excellent excellent

I keep my most swinging is coupled with

couples now oh yeah okay then you got a

wife and a sidekick in

you know I I don't know I think that's a

tall order for a lot of guys sure um but

if you're swinging with other couples

that's that's typically where a lot of

it happens that's 80% of it maybe at

least 50% okay

all right probably 20% don't want a girl

20% want a guy but that's that's where

most of its gonna happen as couples with

other couples yeah you gotta I mean I

don't think it's gonna break anything

that's not broken I don't think it's

gonna fix anything it's not you know

what I agree with you I agree with that

I think you know what I would actually

equate it to this and this is just a

theory but I think I think I think we're

on to something here swinging is like

having a baby right like a lot of

couples think okay if we have a baby

that's gonna fix our marriage no no no

having a baby is going to further break

what was broken before swinging is still

going to break what it's not it's gonna

further break what was broken before

so again if unless you can mentally

handle that now I'm listening I would

agree with you net and I'll never hate

on another man's lifestyle here um

retro fan says there is a fee now you

mentioned a club what did you call it

the trapeze so have you ever been to the

trapeze now swingers clubs do charge a

fee now my guess is that they charge a

fee because they have to make money to

pay the building rent in the drinks and

all that do all swingers clubs charge or

is it sort of a pay-as-you-go type a

deal do you have to be a part of the

clobbering can you just show up it

depends a little bit on the state and

regulations but okay okay because you

know getting sexually oriented

businesses and stuff so a lot of them

are BYOB okay because they're you bring

their own this with a liquor license oh

yeah bring your own bitch bring booze

yeah I mean that's one thing right yeah

be a bring a bottle so that you know

they a lot of them don't they don't they

don't serve alcohol because that that

could be an issue with liquor licensing

and especially in the business a lot of

them don't do that um so that's a cheap

will keep away and they have tiered

pricing so women like single women are

usually free or like 10 bucks 20 bucks

okay okay you they want to get them in

like there's just not that many of them

sir some

single men because there's a lot more

typically and they don't have a good way

of screening and controlling for the

quality of men they did some of them

just don't allow him period that's a

woman charge them high to extortion it

right because here's the thing and guys

who are a little bit lost every guy

wants to go to a swingers club right you

wait you mean I can just show up to a

building and fuck all these bitches

every guy would do that but you got it

like you can't you just like you said

you can't look like quasi fucking modo

with a 2-inch dick and expect to show up

without anything in return even if you

showed up with a ten and the other guys

got to get something at it listen if I

let you fuck my girl like like listen I

want to fuck your girl but my girl

doesn't - fuck you there's not an even

exchange here so so again it is

important for people to understand that

you have to bring something to the table

real quick so low rockin I guess it

looks like he's got some some some

experience he said membership fees and

nightly fees sometimes is that is that

accurate yeah yeah usually a lot of

clubs because you're technically joining

like a quote-unquote private club so

don't I have a membership fee of 50

bucks right and that's where a year

except lifestyle says they might have

exciting life going good yeah yeah then

they have a nightly fee of 50 bucks

whatever you know and it's tiered so

couples are where they kind of have the

most people so maybe the couple's gonna

run 50 bucks 75 bucks and then a single

dude would be 200 at trapeze or 95 or

hum usually I've seen a mostly 400 bucks

okay we're surrounded bucks for single

guys or night okay very good along and

there's one more question I wanted to

get to but but Lorenzo Davis asks a very

good question he says they charge guys

more but why do they call it a donation

now correct me if I'm wrong I think they

call it a donation because they don't

want it to be prostitution if you are

paying if if it's almost like you have

to have enough degrees of separation to

not call it prostitution I don't know if

you've ever seen the movies that the

Dallas buyers club I have not at that

but listen Matthew listen this is

Matthew McConaughey's greatest

performance the Dallas buyers club is a

very good movie anyway the club what he

did he's got HIV and I don't want to

spoil

but if you have HIV then you can get

medicine but you can't sell HIV medicine

in the in the state of Texas or Dallas

or whatever the laws were so what they

do is they take a prescription right now

prescription right so they have a

membership right so a guy says hey I

leave my drugs well you got to have a

membership right obviously they're

paying for the drugs but you have to

have a membership that's how they can

get away with the Dallas buyers club

that's what I think it is how I mean am

i right am I wrong

yeah it gets into that what section

we're in a business what's prostitution

what's not and you should actually that

at parties okay they call it a donation

ah or membership fee again you're

joining a private club which is fine but

they want to stay far away from ya they

don't want you to yeah yeah yeah and

that's one of the good thing on the

expectations because people think that

it's just going to be this wide open

orgy and it's usually not so as I say

like don't expect a gangbang isn't it

ain't like to see on porn we don't have

to approach right right no fuck no no no

no no and that's not private parties

maybe a bit more like that but generally

you're gonna have to approach people

gonna have to not talk to them I'm gonna

have to look confident a little game

well here's a big these private parties

are more selective in other words you

got to be hot to get into these private

parties if everyone is sexually

attractive and attracted to each other

then yeah it's gonna be like that but

that's not the way the world is so

unless again unless you're a top 5% or

in terms of looks and/or dick size it's

not gonna be like you see in the movies

I got three more questions here

Bruno Goats wants to know how is Mexico

City this was one of the reasons why I

wanted to have who's you oh there is

your answer right there he said whoo

yeah

Mexico City no I don't I'm a black guy

okay so if you're Mexican and you go to

Mexico City you may or may not you know

you man you probably have a similar

thing you know I would say this for

anyone you want to go its market right

its market forces you want to go

anywhere you are scarce

God is here a black guy to go to Africa

nobody cares right guy to go to Europe

just like everybody else right right

right

but as a black guy in Mexico you know

and again my pictures were people know

what they're getting into

so it's great like I went to a party in

here here's a here's comparison

you go to trapeze you might spend 175

bucks hundred bucks at a typical Club

okay I go to Mexico City I don't play

shit I don't put anything to get in to

the clubs there you go

because I know that yeah I know the guy

that's running it and he's like hey if I

let you in they're just gonna be couples

that want to meet you so like yeah come

on in I'm on the list for free ex arm so

that's great

the women look fantastic

pretty much pretty much to a tee they

look eight signs and every I don't hear

oh who gives a shit yeah oh my god her

tits are so fake and like we don't give

a shit and they feel great they feel

great in my hand

um but yeah I gotta work on my Spanish

honestly if you speak Spanish you've

heard of like INTC Spanish you're gonna

you're gonna play um yeah I love going

down there you know

yeah I could you know I know we want to

go down there by myself anymore because

it's like I'm trying to schedule this

shit out

like every two hours at the hotel room

yes and I'm like I need to tag out with

somebody it's important we talk under

the turn the bag and get in there man

get in there yeah because like I I need

like I need 30 minutes or you know I

need an hour but I only got thirty

minutes like I really wish somebody else

could like just jump in here and take

care of the woman for a little bit now

I'll you know finish her off but yeah

there's a strong appetite for black guys

down there

excellent again got a heavy game tight

I've never you know there's some you

hear about you know cartels and shit in

the news yeah Mexican cities fine I've

never told them say beautiful city Griss

have been a lot of listen man I actually

recently and of course my plans ended up

changing for a lot of different reasons

but that was gonna be my thing I was

going to retire and move to Mexico and I

mean oh my god what about the cartels

listen guys you know listen up northern

Mexico and about anything south of

Mexico City or Guadalajara you're gonna

be just fine man so I think that I'm

glad you've squashed that myth one more

I got two more two more questions one

question is any advice for a swinging

first-timer do's and don'ts so you

always want to moderate your

expectations that's one thing you know

especially the single guy I mean I know

I'm usually gonna have good success but

there have been times where I have every

times I've gone to club it was slow in

that sex Africa all right it's part of

the game okay um you know always you

know you got it you gotta have a slower

approach okay a little bit slower protei

how's it going how you doing and if a

woman's not interested interested in you

great fine hey you guys have a nice

night I'll see you Yeah right there's

fuckin hair who are looking for dicks

right yeah yeah and you'll probably find

one what they will find you I said they

did they'll they'll see you and as long

as you just cool you're hanging out I

wouldn't drink too much okay um you know

cuz people get a little you know

performance issues sometimes people get

a little sloppy or whatever sure I would

just I would just take it all in go slow

if you can maybe meet someone there if

you know a couple or say hey guys we're

gonna give this club maybe we could meet

you there that's cool so you know

someone play some food do whatever you

need to do to kind of unwind and get

through the nerves a few the first hour

or so people kind of kind of nervous but

you know just just get get your head

right and you know just enjoy yourself

cause people be personable you know solo

rock and actually talking women yeah

he's so low rockin says also don't be

too thirsty that shit turns them off

yeah I would imagine that probably no

mikata yet never never never be thirsty

like and a pisses yeah yeah you gotta

act like you've seen a naked woman

before this is my Thursday yes I swear

to god this is unbelievable

the parallels are uncanny thirsty

motherfucker

fuck up the rest of the game for all of

us here in the real world but guess what

it fuck's up the game for guys who were

in swingers clubs too man

last question Oh Andre Silva says who is

usually more interested in the swinger

lifestyle men are women husbands or

wives from what I understand women have

much more options and will have more

well of course women have many more

options but who is more interested in

the swinger lifestyle men are women that

according I mean always on your your

your your experience I would say a lot

of the guys are usually the ones that

push it generally generally speaking a

lot of the guys are the ones that push

it sometimes you'll have some women

single women or whatever but they're

milky they're you know a little bit more

you have kids are older you know

certainly you 2:58 age range and then

they kind of want to get into it but a

lot of younger women are you talk about

being a territorial they're worried

about their guy leaving yeah we're there

that's where they have or you know say

they're not a ten right then you see

someone that's a 10 or whatever they're

like oh shit I can't compete with that

no fuck that let's not right right

billary right right right I think the

guys push that fantasy they have the

unicorn single by female fantasy I think

a lot of guys are kind of you know into

it not saying well if some women are

someone they're just absolutely fucking

monsters right and right they want sex

like period but a lot of guys you know

yeah a lot of guys are gonna kind of be

the driver for it okay very good

Craig listen man this was a dynamite

episode man like I left to I'm gonna I'm

gonna tell you what I've never been seen

I've never been interested in the

swinger lifestyle because I'm simply not

interested in sharing my women but I

know a lot of guys are you know they

they think they want to I guess as far

as the dude like just one one last

question for any guy out here who's

thinking you know what this might be for

me

what would you because again when a girl

angles for commitment

when a girl angles for commitment hey

you know hey Donovan I want to take this

to the next level in other words she's

telling she wants to be your girl

and I say well sweetheart you're not

ready for this you're gonna have to do

XYZ and ABC for starters right I tell

them this so that they understand what's

really involved so what would you tell

what would you tell men out there who

think they want to swing and I'm not

telling you to actively discourage them

but I want you to let them know hey here

are the risks here are some of the

deal-breaker here are some of the

deal-breakers that might discourage you

from doing this just so you know what

you're getting into

well yeah your game again all the

traditional markers need to be there and

if you're going to swing as a single

dude it's different if you're not swing

as a couple right um of course but and

you kind of mentioned it you need to hit

this shit head-on like you need to be

confident and say look this is me this

is what I'd like to do now if you're

high status mail and I'm thinking one

guy a couple I know they're in Germany

the guys are very very he's a

millionaire he's a very successful

artist but he told his girl like happy

this is I'm not monogamous right right

that's just right like that's just how

it is

and you talk about being possessive he's

like hey you're my slut so I want you to

go fuck three guys you're gonna go

fucking do it that's right period

goddamn right and that's his way of

exerting dominance over and she's like

okay um you know if you're a single dude

you have to be willing to fuck in front

of other people and it may be a crowd of

people it may be one or two people but

you have to have your head space in

there you don't want to have a failure

to launch will be known for having

problems getting it up because no matter

how good-looking you are how big your

dick is if you aren't able to get up or

stay up yeah um it's the point of the

sex what is sex right right right right

delivering that stocking it's not gonna

reflect good on you you know if that

happens duration got to be able to go

for more than 10 or 15 min okay that's

the norm

women aren't doing this generally for a

normal experience they want some pain

right right right better than normal

right um if you're gifted we have a big

dick correct you know that's that's

going to get you in doors that you

normally wouldn't be able to if you

don't then you need to improve

the rest of you physically so you know

hit the treadmill maybe your lifting you

know what no maybe actually you are

listening all right watch you're doing

deadlifts you're doing the shit that

hurts

but you have to improve the rest of you

which is gonna help with stamina right

that's right help with absolutely

getting hard and all that stuff it's

gonna keep your testosterone high all

those things are important and one of

the key things I will tell you is I

think it's very hard to go back it's

like taking the red pill again oh wow

so once you're in those swinger

lifestyle there is no going back to

regular Aminata monogamous relationships

how can you gonna go with you in your

row back contenders right hi

jesus fucking christ the second time a

girl throws a shit test - you know those

are cancer whatever you're like yeah I'm

gonna go call my regulars right I'm

going back to the Trevi hydrating it's

hard so you got to know that and if

you're a couple you know you gotta again

I think if you set those boundaries and

the best way you can do it is if you're

a high-status male there you go if you

have money talent something and you're

like look sweetie you're coming to my

you're joining my friend I'm not joining

your frame you're joining my frame rate

this is these are the parameters of the

frame so that means you're gonna be

licking some pussy sweetie that's right

you're gonna be going down on girls cuz

I like seeing that and you know I might

tie you up I might choke you I you know

just like here's the stuff and you just

sit down and have an adult conversation

yes hit shit you fucking yes here's what

here's what is going to have another

topic yeah made a no topic for another

day but if you get into BDSM you know

that that's what there's cross over my

knee there's cross no reserves media

seems a little bit different but they

will sign contracts they will say look

these are the things you're going to do

this is I write it down here it is in

black and white Wow let me ask you this

you're getting into are you experienced

in BDSM a little bit okay I have started

to learn more about it okay um that's

one of the things your kids kind of

trust into this alpha dominant role

and you have to be that or shit goes

sideways right yes yes you have to be

ready willing and able to step into that

role and kind of know what to do and so

that's where I started talking to other

people that are Dom's observing you know

okay how did you approach this how did

you you know tell me about that just

just listening to them seeing how they

handle things so I would not seem like a

full fledged Dom but it is growing on me

I'm learning more about it I like it I

like the responses that that these that

the guys the women have to their guys so

and again it's all about frame right

talk about frame setting that upfront it

you know there's a lot of parallels

between red pill BDSM swinging it's all

about dominance and you being that alpha

dude one way or another Craig this has

been this has been one of the this is

what this has been one of the best shows

of the year man and I think that I think

my audience would agree you have been a

dynamite guest man you've like I said

you've answered a lot of questions for a

lot of guys and again man I greatly

appreciate you coming on and making time

for us tonight listen man if you can

think of any other element in terms of

the swinger lifestyle BDSM anything that

you anything that relates to this

conversation and I dude I'm sure we

could spin this off to a whole nother

episode you let me know anytime you want

to come on the show man there is always

an open door for you the towers brother

hell yeah man I appreciate ya won't have

to get we'll get together we'll talk

we'll do something again

excellent excellent Craig the swinger

ladies and gentleman thanks for the time

tonight yeah unbelievable show Craig

definitely brought the knowledge

obviously you can tell he's the kind of

guy who really does this stuff and like

I said man he sent me pictures and links

listen the guy's the real deal he is not

fraudulent he really is who he says he

is and so I think I'd listen man and if

you have any if you have any questions

that you can think up for Craig Ford

them to me Donovan sharp are okay at

gmail.com and I will have no problem

I'll no problem getting those over to

him

so again kick ass show tonight

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